Episode 29 - The Midwife

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0:00:00 - (Nicole): This episode of bring your kid to work is brought to you by Lioness Media.

0:00:04 - (Nicole): It's time to bring your kid to work.

0:00:07 - (Nicole): Hey everyone. It's time to bring your kid to work. It's the family podcast that explores the world of work through the eyes of parents and their kids. Each week we interview one parent and their child to chat about what they do for work, what they like, what they don't like, and how they got there in the first place. Let's find out who we're talking to today.

0:00:29 - (Nicole): Our two brilliant guests today are Imogen and her daughter, Cleio. Imogen Cessnik is a nurse midwife who works at the Mar hospital looking after mums, bubs and their families. Her favourite part of the job is helping mums and bubsbs learn to breastfeed together, because neither of them have done it before and they often need a.

0:00:46 - (Nicole): Little bit of help.

0:00:48 - (Nicole): She brings with her her incredibly mature ten year old daughter, Cleo, who dreams different dreams to her mum and older sisters. I'll let her tell you all about that in just a moment. It was such a joy chatting with these two gorgeous humans. I loved our conversation.

0:01:02 - (Nicole): I know you will too.

0:01:03 - (Nicole): So we'd better get on with the show. So welcome, both of you, to bring.

0:01:09 - (Nicole): Your kid to work.

0:01:10 - (Nicole): I'm very excited to welcome Imogen and Cleo today. And this episode is called the Midwife, because, Cleo, that's the job that your mum has, right?

0:01:18 - (Cleo): Yes.

0:01:19 - (Nicole): Yeah. And what is a midwife?

0:01:22 - (Cleo): It's someone who helps women when they're having, or has had, or is before they're having their baby and they're just helping them get prepared or if they're a bit sick and they need some help and support.

0:01:38 - (Nicole): Oh, that sounds like an excellent explanation of what a midwife is, Imogen, how did she go?

0:01:43 - (Imogen): I think that was a great explanation.

0:01:46 - (Nicole): That was really spot on, wasn't it?

0:01:47 - (Imogen): Before, during and after. You've got all the bits.

0:01:50 - (Nicole): Yeah. Than covered the whole lot. Well done, my friend.

0:01:53 - (Imogen): I think we also need to throw in there that we support the daddies a lot, too.

0:01:58 - (Cleo): Yes. We support the dads when they're about to have their child.

0:02:03 - (Nicole): Yeah, because it takes a lot of.

0:02:05 - (Imogen): People to raise a baby, so everybody.

0:02:06 - (Nicole): Needs to know what's going on. What does that mean, mu does when she goes to work, because I'm guessing she goes to a hospital for work.

0:02:12 - (Cleo): Yeah, she goes to the martyr mothers and it's a big area and there's lots of parts and the mother'is usually meant for you when you're having a baby.

0:02:27 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:02:28 - (Cleo): And you would like some help with it.

0:02:30 - (Nicole): Oh.

0:02:32 - (Nicole): So what does mum do? Does mum sit there and have a cup of tea with the mums or what does her actual day look like? Do you know?

0:02:38 - (Cleo): She's going between wards and rooms and she's going to each patient and I guess asking how they're feeling and how she's going to help with them.

0:02:52 - (Nicole): Wow. That sounds also like it's a pretty good explanation. How did she go, Imogen? Is there more to it?

0:02:57 - (Imogen): What is your day like? I think that's a great explanation. I am also a nurse. Nursing was my first job before midwifery, so sometimes I do a bit of gynaecology nursing as well.

0:03:09 - (Nicole): At the Matert, I'm a casual.

0:03:11 - (Imogen): So I move between different floors. Sometimes I've been moved multiple floors across one shift, which has its challenges.

0:03:19 - (Nicole): But.

0:03:19 - (Cleo): But you have your favourite ward, right?

0:03:22 - (Imogen): Well, I don't know if I'm allowed to say.

0:03:23 - (Nicole): I have favourite awards.

0:03:24 - (Imogen): I have wards where I feel like I'm. I know what I'm doing more because I work there more.

0:03:29 - (Cleo): And you have a team leader.

0:03:31 - (Imogen): We always have a team leader, which is fantastic. I love having team leader because there's always someone there who you can go and get help from. But, yeah, I think that's a good explanation. I do mostly postnatal midwifery.

0:03:46 - (Nicole): So what that means is after the baby's born.

0:03:48 - (Imogen): After the baby's born, because I've done a lot of work in breastfeeding, I'm a lactation consultant as well.

0:03:53 - (Nicole): Oh, wow.

0:03:54 - (Imogen): So I tend to work a lot in postnatal because I'm just really comfortable there.

0:03:58 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:03:59 - (Imogen): But I also do antenatal and Gynaecology. Haven't done much work in birth suite at the martyr, but that's kind of my new challenge that's coming up.

0:04:08 - (Cleo): And she's now helping with the flu and she helps the staff get flu vaccination, so they're healthy to help other people.

0:04:21 - (Nicole): Oh, my goodness. So much stuff that your mum does. I'm getting my flu shot tomorrow, so I'm glad that I'm in the zone. That's good.

0:04:28 - (Imogen): Well, this is a new role for me.

0:04:31 - (Imogen): This is. I haven't done this role before. I'm going to start when the girls go back to school. Cleo has two sisters. I'm going to spend three to four weeks on a roaming team where we go around all the hospital sites, not just the martyr mothers and we vaccinate all the doctors and the nurses and the midwives and the admins. Any staff who want to get the flu vaccine. Amazing. So that we're protecting those vulnerable families who come in to have their babies.

0:04:56 - (Nicole): Yeah, because it's important for as a midwife or a nurse or a doctor it's really important that you're healthy because you're interacting with all of those people who are coming in either with brand new babies or having brand new babies and those people are vulnerable because they can get sick really easily. So it's really important that you’re all healthy looking after them. That makes a lot of sense.

0:05:16 - (Cleo): And so if they have the flu, she’s s also safe from the flu.

0:05:21 - (Imogen): Oh well that's true. I better get my flu vaccine. I'm sure that probably be the first thing that I have to do when I start.

0:05:28 - (Nicole): I am a mu of four so I am amazed and in awe of midwives because I had lots of midwives looking after me when I had all four of my kids. It sounds like an incredible job and something that is really rewarding. Do dear love it.

0:05:44 - (Imogen): I've been doing it a long time so I can't really imagine what else I would do. I do love it. I certainly have shifts where I just feel so rewarded and so fulfilled. It's a challenging job. I think because I'm casual, I'm only there when it's extremely busy. Right. When you're at casual it's always going to be busy. You don't really get those down shifts very often. I think it's like anything, it has its peaks and its troughs. It is rewarding but it's challenging and.

0:06:15 - (Imogen): Yeah, and I'm not. I can't really imagine not doing it. I realise that it's. And in nursing as well, you're in a very special time in people's lives, especially in birthing, where there's been this most of the time. Not all the time. Some women come in and don't even know they're having a baby, but most of the time it's a big build up in a woman and a family's life when there's a baby coming, but.

0:06:37 - (Cleo): It'S a happy time too.

0:06:38 - (Imogen): Well and that's the other side of my job, it's not always happy.

0:06:42 - (Nicole): Yeah, yeah that's.

0:06:43 - (Imogen): It's not always a happy time and I certainly have worked with a lot of families in the postnatal space who have not had a the journey that we would want for them.

0:06:52 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:06:53 - (Nicole): Because sometimes babies don't make it.

0:06:56 - (Imogen): Babies don't make it.

0:06:57 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:06:58 - (Imogen): And we can do all the flu vaccines in the world and we can do everything that we can to prevent any harm coming to the mother and the baby. But sometimes it's just out of our reach. One of the things I love about working about the Marda, at the Marda is that we have a bereavement team, which is a new concept to me. I'd never worked in a place where we had a bereavement team and they are amazing. They step in when we need them and they just lend the heaviest support that you could imagine to the families.

0:07:28 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:07:29 - (Imogen): What makes me a little teary just thinking about it. I m getting goosebumps. They really are very good at the mar in supporting bereaved families. Yeah.

0:07:38 - (Nicole): And bereavement means it's when someone is grieving because somebody's died, right. When I say that babies don't make it, sometimes it means sometimes babies die. And that would be the worst part of your job, is having to help those women and those families during those times. It's great to have a team that.

0:07:56 - (Imogen): Helps because you know that it's part.

0:07:58 - (Nicole): Of life, sometimes that that happens and it's really sad.

0:08:01 - (Imogen): It is 100% the saddest part of my job when the baby dies.

0:08:05 - (Nicole): Y so what is the best part then?

0:08:07 - (Imogen): Oh, I think the best part lies in little things. It can be for me. I find it really rewarding and this is probably a very little narrow part of my job, but I love it when a woman's just having a hard time getting her head around breastfeeding and you're really supporting her because you know that's what she really wants to do, and then she just. Her and the baby just get it and you can send them home knowing that they're on their way to having a great breastfeeding journey. And I, you know, I'm very lucky. I was able to breastfeed my three girls and until the recommended six months of age and beyond and.

0:08:40 - (Imogen): But it's not easy. Breastfeeding is actually very difficult and I personally found it more difficult than birth, so that's. Which is why I did lactation consulting after my first baby. I thought, wow, the birth was okay, but, gee, this breastfeeding is much harder than I realised. And so I decided to do lactation consulting before my second daughter, Heidi came along.

0:08:59 - (Nicole): Incredible. Because if it's your first baby, both.

0:09:03 - (Nicole): You and the baby have never done it before.

0:09:04 - (Imogen): That's right, that's what I say to women with their first baby. You're both learning, you're going to get this. And obviously women who are having their second or subsequent babies who are breastfeeding find the journey a bit easier because at least mum has learnt the ropes. Certainly in my experience it was I needed to get my head around it a bit closer before I wanted to step back into helping women do it.

0:09:25 - (Nicole): So incredible. I love how personal journeys often dictate those career pathways. You know, you've had an experience and you're like, oh, what I want to do is help women who had that same experience. So I think that's really cool. Cleo, how old are youm?

0:09:40 - (Cleo): I'm ten or I just turned ten in December and I'm in year five.

0:09:45 - (Nicole): Nice. Are you excited about high school?

0:09:48 - (Cleo): Yes. Caus I hope we learn about biology. Yeah.

0:09:53 - (Nicole): When you listen to mum talking about being a midwife and a nurse, is that something you're interested in?

0:09:58 - (Imogen): What do you want to do when you grow up?

0:10:00 - (Cleo): Personally, I'd want to be a marine biologist, but my sisters and my mum are very into the human body and anatomy and stuff and I do like knowing those facts about the body, it just wouldn't convince me enough to be someone to. So, yeah, I. Yes, I do like helping people but it would be very sad when the baby's not made it.

0:10:30 - (Nicole): Yeah, I have had a couple of people who have told me they want to be marine biologists in their future. What is it about marine biology? First of all, what is it and why do you want to do it?

0:10:40 - (Cleo): Marine biology is the study of marine animals and life or even just like sometimes the water, how it lives under the water. Because as humans, we don't live under the water.

0:11:00 - (Nicole): No, we don't.

0:11:01 - (Nicole): T so we have to study that. That sounds great. Why do you want to do that then, Cleo?

0:11:07 - (Cleo): Our water life and sea life is getting in trouble. Like the coral reef is dying from climate change and they're not doing it and we are and so I'd really like to help study and help our environment because if they die, we're in.

0:11:26 - (Nicole): Danger then that is a beautiful response.

0:11:30 - (Nicole): I am. Wow, wow, wow.

0:11:35 - (Imogen): What do you have to do to.

0:11:36 - (Nicole): Become a marine biologist? Do you know?

0:11:39 - (Cleo): Well, if you're starting, I think it's best to learn more and read and study more about it and then as you get older, like in university, you study more about it and help and then you can get a degree, you could find a business and go scuba diving in the beautiful oceans, you could find some samples of things and study it, and then maybe you go back in the ocean and you help it, as in, they have tried putting ice in the water, but that's not gonna help because we all know ice melts.

0:12:16 - (Imogen): Yeah, it does.

0:12:17 - (Cleo): There's a lot we can do than just put ice in the water.

0:12:21 - (Nicole): Oh, and you are going to find those answers. I can feel it. You are going to absolutely find them, Cleo.

0:12:26 - (Cleo): Thank you.

0:12:27 - (Nicole): Are there particular animals in the ocean that you're interested in, or is just the whole marine life and the way the environment interacts?

0:12:34 - (Cleo): I'm most excited about studying the coral, also helping get all that rubbish out of the ocean. Cause dolphins just swim through it and get caught and turtles think it's jelly food and it's not their fault.

0:12:49 - (Nicole): No.

0:12:50 - (Cleo): So it's good to help and study about how to help them.

0:12:55 - (Nicole): Yeah, it is. And we shouldn't put things in the ocean that turtles are going to confuse for jellyfish. And we certainly shouldn't be throwing any rubbish in there.

0:13:03 - (Cleo): Yeah. Or make sure, like, even one simple thing we can do to help is make sure we're putting our rubbish in the bin. If we leave it out, it's just gonna float away to the ocean, depending on how fast the wind is going.

0:13:16 - (Nicole): These are excellent tips and I am loving it. Thank you so much, Cleo. I'm really excited about this journey for you. Imogen, you said about nursing was your first job before midwifery. I'm guessing that was after university. Did you have a job before that? Did you have like a part time.

0:13:32 - (Imogen): Job when you were re at school? I had a bit of a journey to get to nursing. I went back as a mature age student. After I met Cleo's dad, I finished school and did first yeare medical laboratory science.

0:13:45 - (Nicole): Right.

0:13:45 - (Imogen): And I studied very hard to get into medical laboratory science and I was very proud to get there. But then I got there and I found that, I don't know, I had friends that were doing nursing and I felt they would tell me about their nursing studies and I felt like I was just in the wrong place. So after a year of battling along, I thought, nope, nope, I'm going to leave this. And so I went and worked as a receptionist in real estate in Hobart, which is where I'm from.

0:14:08 - (Nicole): Right?

0:14:09 - (Imogen): And I absolutely loved that. I just really loved the buzz of a little office and everyone working together and I loved real estate. And then Plo's dad came along and he was living up in central Queensland, in Clermont, near Makay. And so I trotted up there and he worked in a coal mine. I worked for a little while in the coal mine. They had this very interesting project going where a very old underground coal mine had been covered over and they wanted to go back with new technology and mine it. But as soon as they opened it up, it caught on fire because the gas had built up, of course.

0:14:42 - (Imogen): So I got this great job as a gas tester. So I'd be testing all these gas samples to make sure that they were safe for people to work in there.

0:14:49 - (Nicole): Yeah. Wow, you were the canary in the ka.

0:14:52 - (Imogen): Well, I wasn't in the ka. We were in a little hut called the gas hut, and all the samples would come back to the gas hut and we would be on a computer and we would run the samples all day and all night. Wow. Quite a few months, four to six months. But of course, you know, they mined through it. That job finished, and then I was looking at the options there. Well, do I go truck driving? I thought, no, that's not for me. Then I looked at teaching and I thought, no, I know nothing about kids.

0:15:16 - (Imogen): I didn't know anything about kids back then. And really, I'd always felt drawn to something medical and I thought, you know what? I'm going to go back and do nursing.

0:15:23 - (Nicole): N ning.

0:15:24 - (Imogen): I went back and did nursing through central Queensland uni in Mackay. Just as I finished that, Mark got moved to the Hunter Valley in New South Wales. So I got a grad year down in New South Wales.

0:15:33 - (Nicole): Wow, that is quite the journey.

0:15:35 - (Imogen): Yeah. And then, of course, they were desperate for midwives at that little hospital I was at down there. So I ended up doing jumping into midwifery and kind of found me. And it was an exciting little hospital to work in because it was only small, but they had emergency surgical, medical, midwifery, dialysis, a small pediatric unit. So 1 minute you could be on the surgical ward, and then if an emergency came in, an emergency buzzer would be hit and you would have a small team, one from each area, and you'd run to emergency. And so there's a lot of variation in my day and I really enjoyed it. It was very good.

0:16:09 - (Imogen): Yeah.

0:16:10 - (Nicole): Because you're someone who likes to have things to do. You're not someone who can sit down.

0:16:13 - (Imogen): Aremd. I don't think anyone who works in the medical field is able to sit down for long. It's just too busy.

0:16:20 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:16:21 - (Imogen): But it was good. I enjoyed it. Yeah. I feel very lucky how everything worked out.

0:16:25 - (Nicole): Yeah. When you were doing your medical laboratory training. Yeah. And getting that sense that this is not for me.

0:16:31 - (Nicole): Ye.

0:16:32 - (Nicole): What made you brave enough?

0:16:33 - (Imogen): Because sometimes people get stuck.

0:16:35 - (Nicole): I've done all this study, I've worked this hard, I've gone on this path. I should be just keeping on the track, and it's really hard to then shift and pivot to something else. What made you brave enough to do it?

0:16:46 - (Imogen): I think it was a combination of things. I'd had to go, so I was from Hobart, I'd had to leave Hobart and go to Lounceston, so I'd had to move away, which was okay. I really struggled with just that sense of o never really having enough money, and I just really didn't like that feeling. And so there was that element, the element of I'd really rather be in more of a financial position and have a bit more behind me so I don't have to live on vegemite toast y.

0:17:15 - (Imogen): I also felt like, with many co laboratory science, a lot of that, obviously, is looking at samples and down a microscope and which is really interesting work. And I'd done all science all through school and I really love science and I really encourage the girls all the time to max out on science because it can really take you anywhere. I think their dad is an engineer, so we're a very science heavy family, but I just am too much of a people person. I thought, I'm going to be looking down a microscope every day and I don't know if I really want to do that. Like, I just. Yeah, I thought, well, I'll be in a small team.

0:17:47 - (Imogen): But it just didn't feel like it was really my. Where my heart lay. I think in as I've got older now, sometimes I come home I've. And I come home to a busy family and I think I'm so max out on other humans around me at the moment. I just really want to have some time out. So things have changed a lot since I first did nursing, but back then, I'm definitely a people person. That's what I fed off, the action of other people. And you can't get more into other people's space than being a nurse, let me tell you.

0:18:14 - (Imogen): Or a midwife, for that matter.

0:18:15 - (Nicole): You are all up in everybody else's business all the time.

0:18:17 - (Imogen): I really am. And Cleo knows all about that. That's why she's laughing. We have. I get asked every shift, what happened? How did it happen? What were the bad things? What were the good things? The girls are all over, finding out all about my day, which is great. And I don't sugarcoat anything good.

0:18:35 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:18:36 - (Cleo): And then Heidi's also always talking about it because she reads lots of medical books because she wants to be a heart surgeon.

0:18:47 - (Imogen): Yeah, she wants to do cardiothoracic surgery.

0:18:51 - (Nicole): What about Euleo? Do you think you might get a first job, maybe not in a medical lab or.

0:18:55 - (Cleo): Well, Ella's only, like, 16 and she's already working at a rock climbing gym. And so I'm thinking, well, she's still pretty young and so, yes, maybe I could get, like, a part time job to help save up for university and study marine biology, but I wouldn't get one that's so full on something very simple. Because if you're studying for something at the same time you're trying to get money, the main thing you want to do is study for it.

0:19:32 - (Imogen): Yeah.

0:19:33 - (Nicole): So it's just about keeping you going and not having something that's too complicated while you're studying. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that's very sensible. I think when you're at school, I'm guessing science is one of the things that you love.

0:19:47 - (Cleo): I love English, probably. I don't mind. Yeah. Science is also very fun. This time we learned about space, which is good, but we usually learn about an animal's life cycle, which is what I love the most.

0:20:02 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:20:03 - (Cleo): So I'm hoping we do learn about more animal things, but I think having some knowledge about spaces.

0:20:10 - (Nicole): Good.

0:20:11 - (Nicole): It's always good to have a bit of knowledge about all different things because you never know when you might need it. One of the things I know about space is that we've explored it more than we have the deep ocean.

0:20:21 - (Cleo): Yeah.

0:20:21 - (Nicole): We know more about space than we do about the deep ocean. So that's a job for you, is what I'm saying.

0:20:29 - (Nicole): No pressure, Cleo.

0:20:30 - (Imogen): There's an entire ocean that we need to explore.

0:20:35 - (Nicole): On the best days at work, you were saying about getting a mum to click with the breastfeeding with the baby.

0:20:42 - (Nicole): And that kind of thing.

0:20:43 - (Nicole): What are the other great things about the best days at work?

0:20:47 - (Imogen): I think. Well, you can imagine in a busy ward, I mean, the public postnatal ward where I work a lot is. We have 41 beds, it's very busy. We often have emergency buzzers going off because we have women having whatever emergency they're having. Sometimes a great shift can just be measured that we've got through the shift. No emergencies have happened that we've had to deal with. I think most of my colleagues and I will do a shift plan for the shift when we come on. So we come on, we get our hand over for our patients, we make a shift plan. What has to be done that we know of.

0:21:19 - (Imogen): So obsbs, meds, whatever else needs to be done. Obviously other things come up that needed to be added to the plan, the whole shift. But I think if you can get through your shift and know that you've done everything on the plan, all your women and babies and their families, mentally and physically, have had all their needs met, and you've had a meal brain somewhere in there.

0:21:38 - (Nicole): Oh, that's a miracle.

0:21:39 - (Imogen): Well, the hospital are very good with it these days. Yeah, they're really good.

0:21:44 - (Cleo): They even have someone called Monty come in and help the staff. And they do meditation.

0:21:51 - (Imogen): Yes. This is a beautiful. I don't know when it started. I feel like might have been during COVID We have a lovely man, Monty, and he comes in and he does meditation with symbols. And it's very. It's very beautiful. Maybe. But, you know, you're not always on the shift where Monty comes into no fort chill us all out.

0:22:10 - (Cleo): I do meditation at school.

0:22:12 - (Nicole): Oh, nice. I do it every day, too.

0:22:15 - (Imogen): Yeah, we're quite big on meditation in our house, aren't we?

0:22:17 - (Nicole): Calming it is. It is.

0:22:19 - (Imogen): Comingmin.

0:22:20 - (Nicole): I just started a month ago, and I was getting really annoyed because I'm one of those people who can't visualize anything. So the person who was running the meditation was telling me to picture this, and I'm like, I'm trying, but I can't.

0:22:31 - (Cleo): And they tell you to close your eyes. But I can never close my eyes unless I'm sleeping. I find it a bit hard, and. And so I don't. I wasn't closing my eyes on. And the teacher said, why weren't you closing your eyes? Andus, I went't lot caus most of the kids weren't. And she asked me, and I said, I'm not that good at closing my eyes. And she said, that's okay. Not everyone is good at doing that, but. And she said, it's okay if you just look at one area, like one spot.

0:23:01 - (Nicole): That is a good tip.

0:23:02 - (Imogen): I also find it hard to visualize. And I've discovered over the years the best way for me to meditate is to just count my breaths in ten cycles. Like I. So I'll do ten breaths three times.

0:23:14 - (Cleo): Some people do yoga like mummy.

0:23:16 - (Imogen): I also do yoga. Yes, I find yoga very good for my headspace.

0:23:20 - (Cleo): Reading en Jooy.

0:23:22 - (Imogen): The first thing I always do after a hard shift that doesn't go how I like it is get to a yoga sesh at home or have a cup of tea. That's my other go to mine too. A cup of tea.

0:23:33 - (Nicole): Because it's a really stressful job. Right. You're racing from one patient to the other. Like you.

0:23:37 - (Imogen): It's a stressful job if you've got.

0:23:38 - (Nicole): A plan and there's obs observations, which are when you have to take heart rates and you have to make sure that people's temperatures are right, the blood pressure is okay. So that's one thing. And you have to do that all the time for the patients and lots of different times during the day. And then, of course you have to give the medicines at the right times, make sure they're okay. And then on top of all of those things, stuff just comes up in the middle of this.

0:24:01 - (Nicole): Does.

0:24:01 - (Imogen): And care needs to be coordinated with other healthc caregivers, depending on what women need. Do they need social work, do they need. Blood's taken. You've got to get pathology. Do they need an infusion? Physio. There's a lot of. And in that respect, it reminds me of my reception job. You kind of always pulling things together a bit and I love that aspect of it as well. But it is a very, very busy job and there's a lot of debriefing. Downtime isn't their Cleo at home?

0:24:26 - (Imogen): And what do you do? What do you put on for me when I'm going to do yoga? What's your little job?

0:24:30 - (Cleo): We have a diffuser at home and it makes a very nice smell and it helps you calm down.

0:24:37 - (Imogen): A reminder, isn't it, to be mindful and just focus on that as well. When you're breathing, you like to pick me in different. Perfect. I like breathe, don't I?

0:24:46 - (Cleo): That's a one like positive vibes.

0:24:47 - (Imogen): Yeah, we like positive vibes.

0:24:50 - (Nicole): Everybody likes positive vibes. But I didn't know that came in know oil.

0:24:54 - (Imogen): So that's exciting. We've been using it this week a bit, haven't we?

0:24:57 - (Cleo): Yeah. And there's also eucalyptus and lemongrass is very strong, but it's still very nice.

0:25:02 - (Imogen): We love lemongrass. Yeah. We lived in Asia for a long time and it reminds us of living in Asia. The lemongrass.

0:25:08 - (Nicole): Wow.

0:25:08 - (Nicole): Because you guys have lived in lots of different places, haven't you?

0:25:11 - (Imogen): We have. Cleo was born in Bangkok.

0:25:13 - (Nicole): Amazing.

0:25:13 - (Cleo): And everyone else in the family was born in Australia.

0:25:17 - (Imogen): Y we did. We lived in Laos and we lived.

0:25:19 - (Cleo): In Colombia and Kyrgyzstan and we crossed between China.

0:25:25 - (Imogen): Yeah, a little bit. In China. It was very in and out of China to Shanghai.

0:25:28 - (Cleo): It was still a good experience to move around the world and see different places and see what it's like. Because usually in Australia you're so used to it, but then when you go to different places, like, it's totally different. Like the, like, what they usually would have for food is like kind of what we would rarely have and it's a different, like their language and that culture and it's kind of also good to learn what people prefer in other places.

0:25:59 - (Nicole): Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because you don't know. You only know what you're doing. You don't know what other people are doing until you go't experience it. Yeah, yeah. Is there anything about work on life and study or anything like that that. I should have asked you that. I didn't ask you. Cleo, is there anything you wanted to tell me?

0:26:13 - (Cleo): I love reading.

0:26:14 - (Imogen): Yeah.

0:26:15 - (Cleo): Because it helps me make stories and I think it helps me at school sometimes in English, as we were focusing about writing an alternative chapter in a book called Nanberry about a little Aboriginal Boy and the first. And it's a really good story and we wrote an alternate chapter. And I think sometimes reading helps me remember all that show don't tell, like, not actually telling them and being very descriptive so that I think reading can help me a lot nail my subjects.

0:26:54 - (Nicole): Yeah. And reading is just fun because you get to learn about different people doing different things.

0:26:59 - (Cleo): Yes.

0:27:00 - (Imogen): What else do you love?

0:27:02 - (Nicole): What do you do outside of school?

0:27:03 - (Cleo): Oh, I do art class on Mondays and Wednesdays.

0:27:07 - (Nicole): Nice.

0:27:07 - (Cleo): Although I'm not doing Mondays this time. I'm doing dance.

0:27:11 - (Nicole): I dance as well. Dance and art and reading.

0:27:15 - (Nicole): Yep.

0:27:16 - (Cleo): And then Tuesday I do homework club. It's a club that helps with your homework if you need help with any subject. Really cool. Thursday I do swimming.

0:27:29 - (Nicole): Oh, my gosh, I am so t right now.

0:27:32 - (Cleo): And then Friday I'm free.

0:27:35 - (Nicole): Amazing.

0:27:36 - (Cleo): And then Saturday morning I do dance suck. Which my sister does too.

0:27:40 - (Nicole): I'm exhausted. Cleo, honestly, listening to all the things that you do. But you like it all, don't you?

0:27:46 - (Cleo): I love it all. And I know that it helps my parents get their work done and with mum helping other people and with dad helping find more minerals, and I know it, it will be part of helping the world. So I know it's only. It's not like I'm staying there for ages. It's only for a bit and it's still very fun.

0:28:10 - (Nicole): Wow. Just the level of maturity.

0:28:14 - (Imogen): I feel like Cleo has just recently had a big leap in her language.

0:28:19 - (Nicole): And your understanding of your place in the world. See that double digits thing? It's like a little switch, isn't it?

0:28:24 - (Imogen): Literally, this school year, I thought, wow.

0:28:26 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:28:26 - (Imogen): This kid's growing up fast.

0:28:28 - (Nicole): Yeah. What about you, imogen? Life and work. Is there something, anything that I didn't.

0:28:32 - (Nicole): Ask you, that I should have asked.

0:28:33 - (Imogen): You, or advice you have for people.

0:28:35 - (Nicole): Who are looking at the world of work and what they want to explore.

0:28:39 - (Cleo): To always enjoy it?

0:28:41 - (Imogen): I think advice? Well, look, you're always going to have work. You're always going to have as much work as you want. If you want to travel the world, it's not going to be a problem.

0:28:50 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:28:50 - (Imogen): I think the great thing about nursing and mid is that you can keep studying as well. Study into research, or you can study into a lot of different things. It's a very good. Nursing in particular, is a very good base degree to step into other things. If you decide that you want to change later, you have to be really comfortable with being around very intimate situations in people, obviously. So. And that does come with time. No one's going to step into that job and be comfortable in their first shift.

0:29:21 - (Imogen): They're just not take, you know, takes its time. You can't go wrong. Y you know, it'll always step you into something else if you don't like it in the end.

0:29:28 - (Nicole): So amazing.

0:29:29 - (Nicole): Yeah. That was a brilliant piece of advice. Thank you both so much for coming to bring your kid to work studio today.

0:29:36 - (Cleo): Thank you for having us.

0:29:38 - (Imogen): It's been an absolute joy.

0:29:39 - (Nicole): Thank you very much, Cleo.

0:29:41 - (Cleo): Thank you so much.

0:29:42 - (Nicole): Thank you, Imen.

0:29:43 - (Imogen): You're welcome. Thank you for inviting us'very.

0:29:45 - (Cleo): Fun.

0:29:46 - (Nicole): And we will talk about another great job or many jobs next time.

0:29:50 - (Imogen): Sounds good.

0:29:51 - (Nicole): Bye for now. Bye bye. Oh, I love that conversation. I hope you did, too.

0:30:00 - (Nicole): I don't.

0:30:01 - (Nicole): I wonder, actually, if Jacques Cousteau himself could have explained marine biology any better than Cleo did. That is an old reference and I understand it, and probably Gen X is like me might, but others won't. But what a little legend. She knows exactly what she wants and how to go after it. I think that's fantastic. Can we also take a moment to pause and celebrate the brilliance that is midwifery and the people who do that job?

0:30:25 - (Nicole): I just think that Imogen was such a great example of the midwives that we have in our lives, and I want to say thanks to all of them because they do amazing work. They are usually the one person there for the most joyous occasion for people. But of course they are also the one person there for what can be the saddest day of someone's lives when mums or bubs struggle or don't make it. And I just think that they are amazing and that Imogen was such a beautiful representation of all that they do. So thank you to all the midwives out in the world. We love you.

0:30:57 - (Nicole): Next week we're going to have another great conversation about another great job. I love having these chats. I learned so much. I hope you're learning too. So until then, have a great week and talk to you then.

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