Episode Fourteen - The Creative Agency Director

0:00:19 - (Nicole): It's time to bring your kid to work.

0:00:21 - (Nicole): It's the family podcast that explores the world of work through the eyes of parents and their kids. Each week, we interview one parent and their child to chat about what they do for work, what they like, what they don't like and how they got there in the first place. Let's find out who we're talking to today. Our trio of fantastic guests today are Carlie and her kids, Lennox and Harlow. Carlie Clark is the owner and director of the creative agency - Hello Creative.

0:00:51 - (Nicole): She's got 15 years of experience in the creative game and she loves turning ideas into marketing magic. She's worked with brands like Hyundai, Meta, Telstra and Food Bank. And she's not your typical agency owner. She's all about letting her team spread their creative wings, because, as she puts it, being creative is like soul food. It's not just a job, it's a way of life.

0:01:15 - (Nicole): Her kids love that she runs her own agency, but it's not something they're interested in doing when they're bigger.

Lennox and Harlow have their own ideas about what they want to do in the future and I'll let them tell you all about it in this episode. This is a great conversation. I know you're going to love it. So let's get on with the show.

Welcome, guys, so much to Bring Your Kid To Work. This episode is called The Creative Agency Director, and we've called it that because we've got someone who does that for a job. Is that someone your mum, Harlow?

0:01:51 - (Carlie): Is that my job?

0:01:52 - (Lennox): Yes.

0:01:53 - (Harlow): Is it?

0:01:54 - (Carlie): Yes, it is.

0:01:56 - (Harlow): Yep. It is. Yeah.

0:01:59 - (Nicole): So we've called it The Creative Agency Director and we've got three very special guests because two of the guests couldn't decide between them who was going to get to be the guest. And I'm very excited that both of them were able to join me. Can I get you to introduce yourself? Guest sitting on the black chair. What's your name?

0:02:15 - (Lennox): Lennox.

0:02:16 - (Nicole): Hi, Lennox.

0:02:17 - (Lennox): How old are you? Seven.

0:02:19 - (Nicole): You're seven? So does that mean you're in grade goodness? Grade three?

0:02:25 - (Lennox): No, grade two.

0:02:29 - (Nicole): Grade two. And my other special guest. Hi. What's your name?

0:02:35 - (Harlow): Harlow.

0:02:37 - (Nicole): Hello, Harlow. What grade are you in?

0:02:39 - (Harlow): Prep.

0:02:41 - (Nicole): So does that make you five or six?

0:02:43 - (Harlow): Five.

0:02:45 - (Nicole): You know what, Harlow? You are our youngest guest on Bring Your Kid to Work.

0:02:48 - (Carlie): That's very cool, isn't it?

0:02:50 - (Nicole): That is very special. And who did you bring with you today, Harlow?

0:02:54 - (Carlie): Who am I?

0:02:55 - (Harlow): Mum.

0:02:55 - (Nicole): You brought mum? What's your mum's name?

0:02:57 - (Harlow): Carlie.

0:02:58 - (Nicole): Carlie.

0:02:59 - (Carlie): Hello.

0:03:01 - (Nicole): So I introduced this episode as the creative agency director. And that's your job, right?

0:03:09 - (Carlie): It is my job, yes.

0:03:11 - (Nicole): Lennox what does that mean Mum does for work? What does she do all day.

0:03:18 - (Harlow): Makes designs things.

0:03:22 - (Carlie): Very good. I do design things.

0:03:24 - (Nicole): Designs things. Harlow yeah. What else Lennox ?

0:03:28 - (Lennox): Photograph I do. And she works for Food bank.

0:03:34 - (Carlie): I do. That's one of my clients, isn't it? We do a lot of things for Food Bank.

0:03:38 - (Nicole): Beautiful. They're a good organisation to work with. Lennox does that mean that your mum works in an office or does your mum work outside.

0:03:50 - (Lennox): Inside and outside?

0:03:51 - (Carlie): Sometimes I do.

0:03:53 - (Lennox): Very good.

0:03:54 - (Nicole): Carlie, have the kids got it right? Did they describe your job?

0:03:58 - (Carlie): Well, yes, that's some of the things that I do, but there's obviously a lot of other things that I do that they may not know about. But yes, there's many facets of my job that I have and making logos and designing things is definitely one of them.

0:04:12 - (Nicole): So tell me, what are the other things that I do?

0:04:16 - (Carlie): Okay, I guess service all of my clients, so from marketing to branding to strategy branding, also working on lots of content. So social media and yeah, we do like it's a full service agency, so basically anything to do with the creative.

0:04:36 - (Lennox): I was also going to say that I do, basically.

0:04:40 - (Nicole): So lots of creativity in your job and you get to design things and you get to create content. And is that something that you've always loved to do?

0:04:50 - (Carlie): Look, I've always been creative, yes. Ever since I was at school, I was probably a little bit different to everybody else. I went to the type of school where everyone was sort of going to do a pretty straight and narrow job. They were going to be a doctor or a lawyer or a teacher or something. And I thought to myself that I knew I wasn't going to do one of those jobs, but I didn't know what job I was going to do. The school wasn't really also at the time sort of set up to understand what kinds of jobs there were in the creative space or in the creative industries.

0:05:23 - (Carlie): So I think it was one of those things that I didn't know that being a graphic designer or working in marketing was really even a job that you could have. So no, it wasn't. I very early doors always did very creative things. Extracurricular activities were always very creative, but I didn't ever think I would be doing it as a job.

0:05:42 - (Nicole): No, but harlow you don't want to be a creative agency director, do you? What do you wanted to do for a job?

0:05:49 - (Harlow): I want to be a teacher.

0:05:53 - (Nicole): Do you - primary school or high school, do you think?

0:05:56 - (Harlow): Prep. And I heard you used to be a teacher.

0:06:02 - (Nicole): I did used to be a teacher. You're right. Yeah. But I used to teach the bigger kids.

0:06:07 - (Harlow): I want to be called Ms. Harlow.

0:06:10 - (Nicole): I reckon that would be a lovely thing.

0:06:12 - (Carlie): I think so, too.

0:06:14 - (Nicole): Lennox, what about you? Are you creative like Mum? Do you want to do something like that?

0:06:19 - (Lennox): Well, I want to be a pilot.

0:06:23 - (Nicole): A pilot?

0:06:24 - (Lennox): Yes.

0:06:25 - (Nicole): Okay, so that's been something you've wanted to do since you were really little. I mean, I know you're seven, you're big now, but have you wanted to do that?

0:06:34 - (Lennox): Yeah.

0:06:34 - (Carlie): Yep.

0:06:35 - (Nicole): Do you like being in a plane? You've been in a plane quite a few times.

0:06:39 - (Lennox): Yeah, I like being in planes.

0:06:40 - (Carlie): Right.

0:06:41 - (Nicole): Do you want to be a pilot who flies people around, or do you want to be a pilot who flies planes to deliver things or in the air Force. What kind of pilot do you think?

0:06:53 - (Lennox): I'd like to be a passenger plane so I can take Marmots somewhere in.

0:06:57 - (Carlie): The world, take me on holidays.

0:07:00 - (Nicole): Wow.

0:07:01 - (Carlie): But, yes, Lennox has changed planes for as long as I can remember. We used to go to the airport and we used to just sit and watch planes. We used to find out what the plane number was and what the model is and all the things about planes. We've been doing that for longer than I can remember.

0:07:16 - (Harlow): Yeah.

0:07:17 - (Nicole): Oh, wow. So it's been a passion of yours then. So you have to get dragged along. Harlow do you?

0:07:22 - (Harlow): Well, I love being inside planes, going on holidays.

0:07:26 - (Carlie): That's fun, isn't it?

0:07:27 - (Nicole): Yeah, I like going big cities, being a pilot. If you're going to be a passenger plane pilot, you get to take people on their holidays to go and visit their families. You get to be the person who gets them there safely.

0:07:43 - (Harlow): That's pretty cool.

0:07:44 - (Carlie): Yeah, it's really cool, isn't it?

0:07:47 - (Nicole): Yeah. If you're going to do that, are there things at school that you're doing right now that are going to help you get to be a pilot, do you think?

0:07:56 - (Lennox): Engineering.

0:07:57 - (Carlie): Oh, cool. Yeah.

0:07:59 - (Nicole): You get to do engineering?

0:08:00 - (Lennox): Yes.

0:08:01 - (Nicole): What does that mean, doing engineering?

0:08:03 - (Lennox): I build some Lego. Once I've made elevator, once I made a tractor, once I made a racing car, once I made a crane.

0:08:17 - (Carlie): And what is it that when you're making these things, what are you learning. About when you're making them?

0:08:24 - (Lennox): I'm learning about different Lego pieces.

0:08:26 - (Carlie): But how they all work together to make the thing right.

0:08:32 - (Nicole): Yeah, very good. Solving problems, making sure the structure works.

0:08:35 - (Carlie): So he loves that.

0:08:37 - (Nicole): That sounds really cool. That's awesome. Lennox and that's going to help when you get bigger and go and do more things to learn to be a pilot. Harlow what do you like to do at school?

0:08:49 - (Harlow): Every Monday, I also go to drama.

0:08:54 - (Nicole): Oh, wow. What do you love to do when you go to drama?

0:08:57 - (Lennox): I like acting.

0:09:01 - (Nicole): Yeah?

0:09:02 - (Carlie): Pretending to be other characters don't.

0:09:04 - (Harlow): That's what you do in drama.

0:09:06 - (Nicole): Yeah, that was one of the things I taught when I was at high school, I taught drama. That's cool. It was really fun.

0:09:12 - (Carlie): That's amazing. I didn’t know that.

0:09:14 - (Nicole): There you go. English and drama. There you are. And Carlie, when you were a little kid and you were feeling creative and you didn't know that being a creative agency director was a job, what did you think you were going to do when you were five and seven? Did you have an idea of what job you might do?

0:09:32 - (Carlie): Yes, I was going to be a dancer. I was going to be a ballerina. That was the focus.

0:09:38 - (Nicole): Yeah.

0:09:38 - (Carlie): I started dancing when I was and I was very passionate and dedicated to the dancing. And I started teaching dancing just at the end of high school, and I did it through university as well. And that was kind of what I thought I was going to do.

0:09:56 - (Nicole): Yeah. And what changed?

0:09:58 - (Carlie): I think the physicality of dancing for a living kind of even set in. In the early days when I was 19 or 20, I got some injuries from doing full time dancing, and it was a bit of a tax on my body. And I just thought, what if you were to actually injure yourself and you couldn't do this anymore? I thought, I need a backup plan. How can I study or do something that's going to give me still that creative outlet, but also means it's not so taxing on my body so that I can continue to do it through the years?

0:10:30 - (Nicole): And so that got you into graphic design?

0:10:32 - (Carlie): Yeah, it did. I guess at the end of high school, you sit down with your careers counsellor, or whatever the position is called, and they sort of say to you, what are you thinking? What do you want to apply for? What sort of job are you looking to do? And they gave me this book, and. It was literally a book which had a list of all the different careers you could have in your life ever and what course you needed to do to do that job. So they do those personality testing on you and work out what you're good at, et cetera. And I came out really strong with the right side of my brain and my creative interests and skills. So they said, oh, look, there's a test we want you to sit for which would allow you to get a scholarship to do Bachelor of Arts, majoring in graphic design or interior design or whatever type of design you wanted. And I was like, okay, this sounds great.

So I sat this test, and I ended up getting the scholarship, which was very exciting. I started the course, and it's like I found my people. I realized that there are other people that are just as creative and just as quirky and just as kind of outlandish as I was, and that this was actually okay and normal, and this was something that I was like, I found my little home now, which is really great. Yeah, that's kind of how that started.

And again, I hadn't met anyone who had done that as a job. I hadn't met anyone who had done that course. It was actually really fulfilling at the time to find that.

0:11:57 - (Nicole): There's a lot to be said for finding your tribe.

0:11:59 - (Carlie): Yes, for sure.

0:12:00 - (Nicole): So, Lennox, your mum, one of her first job was teaching dance. What do you think you might do as your first job before you become a pilot?

0:12:08 - (Lennox): A mailman.

0:12:09 - (Nicole): A mailman. So instead of delivering people to places, you're going to deliver mail to places? Yeah, I like it.

0:12:18 - (Carlie): Very good.

0:12:19 - (Nicole): What do you like about the idea of being a mailman, do you think?

0:12:22 - (Lennox): Well, it's a cross between a mailman and a hairdresser.

0:12:28 - (Carlie): A cross between a mailman and a hairdresser? So you deliver I'm confused how this would work. Tell us how this would work.

0:12:36 - (Harlow): I don't know.

0:12:37 - (Carlie): So you like the idea of cutting people's hair, but you like delivering things?

0:12:41 - (Lennox): Yeah.

0:12:42 - (Carlie): Okay. There you go.

0:12:44 - (Nicole): Okay, well, I think you could figure out a way because you have your engineering brain which solves problems, so you'll go, I can combine these two things and I'll make it work.

0:12:55 - (Lennox): Yeah.

0:12:56 - (Nicole): What about you, Harlow?

0:12:57 - (Lennox): I wanted to be a hairdresser, then I changed to a cook, then I changed to a teacher.

0:13:04 - (Nicole): Yeah, you're allowed to change, you know.

0:13:06 - (Carlie): We'Ve gone on a journey.

0:13:08 - (Nicole): Yeah. What do you think your first job is going to be then, Harlow? What do you think the very first one will be?

0:13:13 - (Harlow): I'm going to have three jobs. Okay. My first job will be a hairdresser, then my second job will be a chef and my third job would be a teacher.

0:13:27 - (Nicole): Oh, cool. Okay.

0:13:29 - (Harlow): And my job would be working at a zoo.

0:13:34 - (Nicole): Oh, these are very different, awesome career ideas. I love it. What kind of thing do you think you're going to do at a zoo?

0:13:41 - (Harlow): Take care of animals, probably. Yeah, that's what zookeepers do.

0:13:46 - (Nicole): Well, yeah, of course, some of them specialize in different animals. Do you like one particular animal?

0:13:53 - (Harlow): The giraffes.

0:13:54 - (Carlie): The giraffes? Yeah, they're pretty cool.

0:13:56 - (Nicole): They are very cool and have really long blue tongues.

0:13:59 - (Carlie): I know, it's very strange.

0:14:02 - (Lennox): And sometimes I would gut your monkeys, I would feed them.

0:14:07 - (Nicole): They definitely like that. Lennox, your mum is a creative agency director. Does she like her job?

0:14:15 - (Lennox): I think yeah. Yeah, I think so.

0:14:18 - (Nicole): What do you think makes a good job?

0:14:21 - (Carlie): Do you think if you're sad every day you go to work, do you think that's a good job?

0:14:25 - (Lennox): Sometimes she likes work, sometimes she doesn't like work.

0:14:30 - (Carlie): That's true. That happens with all jobs. Sometimes you love it, sometimes you don't. But what makes my job a good job, do you think? The fact that I can work from home and be close to you guys up at the school is good.

0:14:42 - (Lennox): Yeah, I like that. The best.

0:14:45 - (Nicole): Yeah, I like that too. That's a really good thing, to be able to be close.

0:14:49 - (Carlie): It is. What about the girls? Is it fun having the girls come to the studio and see them as well?

0:14:55 - (Nicole): Because your mum doesn't just do a job, she owns the business, right, Lennox?

0:14:59 - (Lennox): Yeah.

0:14:59 - (Nicole): That means that she's in charge of other people and she gets to make all the rules for her business.

0:15:06 - (Carlie): Scary sometimes, being the boss.

0:15:09 - (Nicole): Do you reckon your mum's a good boss, Lennox?

0:15:11 - (Lennox): Yes, a million percent.

0:15:14 - (Nicole): Yeah. What do you think makes a good boss?

0:15:16 - (Lennox): Helping the people that she's the boss of?

0:15:21 - (Nicole): Yeah, that is a good boss. Someone who helps people that she's the boss of. Yeah. What else do you reckon makes a good boss? I don't know.

0:15:30 - (Carlie): Do you think sometimes when we have fun in the studio, do you think it's good that we can have a laugh and have a joke and all of those kinds of things? I think that's good too.

0:15:40 - (Lennox): And you have drinks?

0:15:43 - (Carlie): Yes, sometimes we have Thursday afternoon drinks, don't we? That's fun. And a bit of a chip and a nipple. That's fun.

0:15:50 - (Nicole): That is always fun.

0:15:51 - (Carlie): What about when we go out?

0:15:53 - (Nicole): Oh, tell me about that, Lennox.

0:15:55 - (Carlie): Do you remember what I had to do?

0:15:56 - (Lennox): She had to pick carrots out of.

0:15:58 - (Nicole): The you had to pick carrots out of the ground?

0:16:01 - (Lennox): Yeah.

0:16:01 - (Nicole): What, like Bugs Bunny? What was that for? Do you know what that was for?

0:16:05 - (Lennox): For food banks.

0:16:07 - (Nicole): Oh, cool. Okay, so one of Mum's jobs was being part of figuring out that campaign that the food bank was doing to advertise things to get more people donating, I'm guessing.

0:16:18 - (Lennox): Yeah.

0:16:18 - (Nicole): And that was picking carrots out of the ground?

0:16:22 - (Lennox): Yes.

0:16:24 - (Carlie): Very interesting campaign. Basically, we were asked to go to visit farms who are the farmers that rescue produce to donate to food bank. And we needed to interview the farmers and talk about the process. And we also needed to go knee deep into the mud and the crops and pick the crops and show them picking the crops and take photos of the vegetables and go into the factory and see how all the carrots got washed. It was very interesting.

0:16:51 - (Nicole): Is there something you love about your job, Carly, that you work with lots of different clients, so you get to learn lots of different things?

0:16:57 - (Carlie): Yes, I do. If you had told me eight years ago when the business started that I would know as much as I do about finance, food, rescue and all these things that I'd never really even come into contact with, that I'd have to know it so intimately to then be able to market it, I would have been like, Ah, that's crazy. But no, genuinely, that is probably my favorite part of my job.

0:17:20 - (Nicole): Yeah. You get to find out little bits of everything from everywhere and sell it to the world and make sure people know the great work that people are doing.

0:17:28 - (Carlie): That's right, yeah, it is great on.

0:17:30 - (Nicole): A really great day at work. What makes it a great day for you, Carlie?

0:17:35 - (Carlie): Variety is good. As many happy, winning vibes that we can get is great. I think it's one of those things where we create time to be creative. A lot of the time in the studio we're on a lot of deadlines and we have to be so busy, but it's really nice to take a step back and sit and actually get out a whiteboard and brainstorm and think about new and different ideas that we could try for particular clients.

0:18:02 - (Carlie): It is also one of those things where it is weird to be creative as a job because sometimes I'm sure you know this and I'm sure other people have experienced this, creativity just doesn't poof come to you. It's one of those things that sometimes you have to almost be in a particular headspace to draw out creative ideas. And if you're not in that headspace but you do it as a job so you have to be creative. That can be a tricky balance and you have to sort of have some techniques to be able to get your creative juices flowing, basically.

0:18:36 - (Carlie): But I've always found that it is one of those things the more you have to do it and call on that creativity, I think the better you become at it. So now, how old am I now? However many years I've been doing it.

0:18:48 - (Lennox): 38.

0:18:49 - (Carlie): 38. Thank you for that. I am sort of more accustomed to being able to draw on it whereas when I first started it was, what do you mean I have to sit down at this computer and actually create this right now? I mean, what but it does get easier as time goes on, for sure.

0:19:07 - (Nicole): And so you said before that you've had your agency, Hello Creative, for eight years. That was before Lennox and Harlow even existed. So does that make Hello Creative your first baby?

0:19:18 - (Carlie): Pretty much, yes, it was. So I was very heavily pregnant with Lennox when the idea to start the business happened. I was working for a brand experience agency and they were global and they were in the city and I just knew even before I'd had babies that I'm not going to have the same capacity that I once had to be in that same corporate role. And I thought, how can I umbrella all the things that I know and all the things that I've learned throughout my career and umbrella them under something that I can do that's flexible, I can be close to the kids, it can be from home, like all of these kinds of things.

0:19:57 - (Carlie): And really it started out as freelancing. I just freelance, particularly design and other things and I just tapped into the network of people that I already knew and that's really how it started. And it just built from there and it was really great as I had then. Harlow the second child came around, I could scale it right back when I needed to, and then I could build more clients as I wanted to as well. So it was one of those things that made it great to grow a family as well as grow a business at the same time. And they grew at the same rate, or they had to, anyway. So, yeah, that was really good to be able to do because a lot.

0:20:32 - (Nicole): Of people might be a little bit scared about starting a business and being a boss. Lennox don't you?

0:20:36 - (Lennox): Yeah. Yeah, I'd be scared.

0:20:39 - (Nicole): Yeah. It's scary brave. Takes a lot of courage to do something different and try something when you want to be a pilot.

0:20:45 - (Lennox): Lennox yeah.

0:20:46 - (Nicole): Do you know who you want to fly with? What airline do you think you want to be a pilot for?

0:20:52 - (Lennox): Virgin.

0:20:52 - (Nicole): Do you want to fly in Australia, or do you want to fly overseas as well?

0:20:56 - (Lennox): Overseas as well.

0:20:57 - (Nicole): What's your favourite plane?

0:20:58 - (Lennox): My favourite plane?

0:21:01 - (Nicole): That's a hard one.

0:21:02 - (Lennox): What about the kitty hawk?

0:21:04 - (Carlie): It used to. Kitty hawk.

0:21:07 - (Nicole): Well done. Harlow yeah, exactly.

0:21:09 - (Lennox): Well done. I do like Kitty Hawk. A 380.

0:21:13 - (Nicole): The a 380.

0:21:14 - (Carlie): We used to visit it when it would land in Brisbane, didn't we?

0:21:18 - (Lennox): Yeah.

0:21:18 - (Carlie): We used to go and look at it through the fences, study it.

0:21:22 - (Nicole): That's one of my favourites, too. I like that one. Do you do dancing as well, Harlow, or just drama?

0:21:27 - (Harlow): I do dancing and drama. Tell Nicole what's tomorrow dancing concert.

0:21:33 - (Nicole): Oh, my goodness. What kind of dance is it? Do you do ballet or tap or jazz or hip hop?

0:21:40 - (Harlow): Jazz. It's jazz.

0:21:41 - (Nicole): That's my favourite. I used to dance when I was little too.

0:21:44 - (Harlow): I'm just going to go now.

0:21:45 - (Nicole): Okay.

0:21:46 - (Harlow): I'm going to do a bit more of drama.

0:21:48 - (Carlie): Okay.

0:21:49 - (Nicole): All right. Harlow is retiring to the corner to do more drama.

0:21:53 - (Carly): You know what they say, animals and children, they're not predictable. Here we are.

0:21:59 - (Nicole): Carlie, do you think this is going to be the kind of thing that you do for the rest of your career, or do you think there's going to be other things that you might like to pursue?

0:22:07 - (Carlie): I think this is it. I think it's been a progression of finding the balance of how to grow a family as well as grow a career. It also means that I can do all the things on my own terms, which is something that I really love if I want to take time off. I've built the agency to a point now where I could step away and people could be okay on their own, which is a really lovely and satisfying thing to know.

0:22:36 - (Carlie): It will definitely, I think, take different turns as things go on. Services may change or we may start a product line, or things may morph into other things. But yes, I think the working for myself part is all that I was kind of looking for. I think when I was corporate side, I think that was very much and I actually struggled with that because I thought, who gives you direction when you work for yourself? Who is the person that's actually telling you what your KPIs should look like and what sorts of goals you should be hitting? But I think once you know that that's actually you and you get to create your own destiny, essentially it becomes the most exciting part about it that you could take it anywhere, which I love.

0:23:21 - (Nicole): Carlie, what's the worst job you've ever had?

0:23:24 - (Carlie): The worst job? Oh yes, I remember I just finished up dancing and I had this injury and I was about to enter the full time workforce and I was considering having a gap year and I started working at a cafe and I mean, my hat really comes off to people who work in the customer service industries, full stop. The weirdest, bizarrest orders of particular things of only egg white scrambled eggs or a really hot soy late with half strength. I mean, my mind just boggled at the level of detail that needed to go into people's orders. But the thing that was hilarious about that job was that I was really good with the people.

0:24:09 - (Carlie): I was shocking at delivering food to a table and having three plates. I dropped everything, I was really clumsy, but I just loved the people. And I got these beautiful Christmas cards every year from these old ladies who used to come in every day and have their coffee. That part of it I loved. And I was really good at my boss, the cafe owner was like, you talk too much, could you please just keep delivering food for the table?

0:24:35 - (Carlie): So it was one of those things that I learned lots doing that job, but I just was not cut out for that type of job.

0:24:43 - (Lennox): So good at cooking.

0:24:44 - (Carlie): Maybe that's why I'm so good at cooking. Do you think?

0:24:47 - (Nicole): Yeah, lots of practice in the cafe. Lennox, what do you think would be a bad job for you? Mum said that the cafe wasn't great for her. What would be bad for you?

0:24:57 - (Lennox): A bad job for me? Well, working at supermarket.

0:25:01 - (Nicole): Why do you think that would be a bad job for you?

0:25:03 - (Lennox): Well, I have to walk around like a shop today. I have to be very good at controlling different devices and very good at that.

0:25:16 - (Nicole): Got you.

0:25:17 - (Lennox): So I'm not sure how going to go with supermarkets.

0:25:21 - (Nicole): And that's why it's good that there are different jobs, right? Because not everybody is good at the same thing.

0:25:26 - (Carlie): Yeah, some of your friends are good at some things and then others are good at other subjects. Right?

0:25:32 - (Lennox): Yeah, I'm good at math, but I'm not very good at hash, good at English, but I'm not very good at.

0:25:40 - (Nicole): Health and it's good to find the things that you like and that you're good at. It's great.

0:25:44 - (Lennox): Yay.

0:25:45 - (Nicole): I look forward to you flying me places when you're big. I'm retired.

0:25:49 - (Carlie): I'm going on a holiday.

0:25:50 - (Nicole): Lennox is taking me.

0:25:51 - (Harlow): Me too.

0:25:53 - (Carlie): The Bahamas.

0:25:54 - (Lennox): You can go. You're going?

0:25:56 - (Carlie): Italy, france. You can take me to all those places.

0:25:59 - (Nicole): Lennox, when you leave school and get big, what do you think you're looking forward to the most?

0:26:07 - (Lennox): Well, I'm pretty excited to fly planes. Train to fly planes. And then I have to go on small planes to train.

0:26:16 - (Nicole): Okay.

0:26:17 - (Lennox): And small planes, small ones are for stunt, so maybe I could do a bit of stunt.

0:26:24 - (Nicole): That would be very impressive, stunt flying. So how long does it take to learn to be a passenger pilot? Do you know how long it takes?

0:26:34 - (Lennox): I have a book. It's probably in the book, but I don't know.

0:26:40 - (Carlie): I think it's university first.

0:26:42 - (Lennox): Yeah.

0:26:43 - (Carlie): And then you've got to do lots of training not in a plane, but in a thing called a simulator. It's like a pretend plane. It's quite a long time to train to be a pilot because you're responsible for all those people on that plane.

0:26:57 - (Lennox): Maybe like a year?

0:27:00 - (Carlie): No, I'd be thinking more like probably six to eight years, I would say. When you're a fully fledged pilot yeah.

0:27:08 - (Nicole): For quite a while, you got to be quite determined and quite patient.

0:27:12 - (Carlie): You do.

0:27:13 - (Lennox): I take it back I'm not a pilot.

0:27:14 - (Carlie): No, it's not that bad.

0:27:16 - (Harlow): But you get to have the fun.

0:27:18 - (Nicole): Flying the planes and learning as you go though. Lennox I reckon you'll have fun with that.

0:27:22 - (Carlie): You will.

0:27:23 - (Nicole): Carlie for someone who's leaving school now, who's thinking, I don't know what I want to do, would you have any advice for them?

0:27:31 - (Carlie): My one piece of advice would be for me, I went to the type of school that said you must go to university and you must get a degree. Now, I'm not saying that a degree is bad. I have a degree. I think it's very necessary people study. I guess my point being is that just know that there are so many other options outside of what you think. The main thing that everyone at your school or your parents or whoever is telling you this is the way to go.

0:28:04 - (Carlie): So I guess it'd be know what your options are and know what's out there. Know you can take time off and think about it, know that you can go traveling and think about it, know that you can start your own business or work in a startup, or that you can basically freelance and do contract work. These are all things that you can actually do. And it doesn't mean that you have to go and sit in an office for the next 40-odd years and just work in an office all the time.

There are so many options and so. Many careers out there and I guess I wish I'm really glad how it all turned out for me, but I think there are a lot of people sort of saying, oh, you're going to do this kind of job. No, actually, I couldn't think of anything worse than sitting in an office all day or not being able to be creative for my job. So that would be my number one advice. Just know that there's a lot out there.

0:28:58 - (Nicole): And that's part of why I started this, actually, was that there are so many different options out there, and there are people who are confused about what they want to do, and they think that there's only a narrow little path for them. But the world is wide and the options are big.

0:29:13 - (Carlie): They are very much so.

0:29:15 - (Nicole): Great advice for everyone out there, Carlie. Thank you for that. So I want to say thank you to Harlow in the corner. If she can still hear me, I.

0:29:22 - (Carlie): Think she's gone off into she's utilising her creative outlets, you see. She can't just be kept on the one path.

0:29:29 - (Nicole): I completely understand. Thank you so much, Lennox.

0:29:33 - (Lennox): You're welcome.

0:29:36 - (Nicole): Thank you so much, Carlie.

0:29:37 - (Carlie): No worries. Thank you.

0:29:39 - (Nicole): Wherever Harlow is, tell her Chukas for tomorrow. I hope that the dance concert goes really well.

0:29:44 - (Carly): Thank you very much.

0:29:45 - (Nicole): I'll talk to you guys later.

0:29:47 - (Lennox): Bye.

0:29:49 - (Nicole): Coming up next, we'll talk to Janice and her granddaughter Kate. Your gran is retired now, but what was her job before then?

0:29:54 - (Kate): A hairdresser.

0:29:56 - (Nicole): And that's why this episode is called The Hairdresser. Being a hairdresser, what did you do all day?

0:30:03 - (Janice): I owned my own salon. Wow. So very busy. Was qualified at 19 and had a salon, which was a lot of work, but I loved it. Yeah. My mum used to come in and help me. She used to make cups of teas for all the clients and in those days they used to smoke, which was terrible. So we used to have ashtrays on our workstations, which was horrible. Apart from that, it was lovely. I really enjoyed my job.

0:30:30 - (Nicole): You don't want to miss this one. Talk to you then.

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