Episode 26 - The Philanthropist
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0:00:00 - (Nicole): This episode of bring your kid to work is brought to you by Lioness Media.
0:00:04 - (Nicole): It's time to bring your kid to work.
0:00:07 - (Nicole): Hey everyone. It's time to bring your kid to work. It's the family podcast that explores the world of work through the eyes of parents and their kids. Each week we interview one parent and their child to chat about what they do for work, what they like, what they don't like, and how they got there in the first place. Let's find out who we're talking to today.
0:00:25 - (Nicole): Our two incredible guests today are Ryan and his son, Roman. Ryan Ginard, CFRE, is an international award winning author, the founder of Fundraise for Australia, and currently the head of advocacy for effective philanthropy at the Mindaroo Foundation, a large australian philanthropic organisation. Before Mindaroo, Ryan had worked in universities in Australia and the United States and with other big philanthropic organisations like the San Diego Foundation.
0:00:57 - (Nicole): Ryan is so convincing when it comes to the benefits of giving your time, talent and treasure that he has written two books about it and raised over $50 million for incredibly important causes. He brings with him today his son Roman, who isnt quite sold on the benefits of philanthropy, as youll hear. But hopefully this chat might have changed his mind a little. I absolutely loved connecting with these two. It was a fantastic conversation that I know youre going to love.
0:01:24 - (Nicole): So let's get on with the show. Welcome, both of you, to bring your kid to work. I'm so excited to welcome two very special guests, someone I haven't seen for a very long time and someone I'm just meeting today. I'd like our first special guest. Roman, could you introduce yourself and just tell us, you know, how old are you, what grade you're in, that kind of stuff. What you like?
0:01:50 - (Roman): I'm in year three.
0:01:53 - (Nicole): Nice. And how old are you, Roman? Eight. Eight. Fantastic. And do you love school or do you just go there because you have to?
0:02:03 - (Roman): I just go there.
0:02:05 - (Nicole): Fair enough. That's okay. And who did you bring with you? Who's sitting next to you?
0:02:10 - (Roman): Daddy.
0:02:11 - (Nicole): Yeah. What's your daddy's name?
0:02:13 - (Roman): Ryan.
0:02:14 - (Nicole): Hello, Ryan.
0:02:16 - (Ryan): Hey, how's it going?
0:02:17 - (Nicole): Good. How are you?
0:02:19 - (Ryan): Good. Hopefully get to a point where we change his perception on school. We just need to give him a little nudge, need to find something that connects him a bit more.
0:02:29 - (Nicole): Exactly. It's not about him, it's about school. School's got to be more interesting for him. That sounds fair to me. Hold on, Ryan. We are calling this episode the philanthropist and Roman. That's a big word. That it took me a while to practise saying, because it's a lot of letters that go together. Do you know what a philanthrop. See, I can't even say it now. Do you know what a philanthropist is?
0:02:51 - (Roman): Like a giving work?
0:02:54 - (Nicole): Yeah. Someone who gives for their job.
0:02:57 - (Roman): Like give money to people.
0:02:59 - (Nicole): Oh, okay. What does that mean? If that's what your dad's job is, do you know what that means? He does all day.
0:03:06 - (Roman): He just works and works and works.
0:03:11 - (Nicole): Yeah, I remember your dad used to work and work and work when I worked with him as well. Ryan, someone who's giving money, is that what a philanthropist is? What is your job?
0:03:21 - (Ryan): That's a great question, because this was the most exciting question I was prepping for. Like, what would Roman say and what would he think I do? So giving is actually a great answer. There's a little bit more nuance to it, as one would know, especially in organized philanthropy. But to simplify, it's really giving time, talent, treasure. So giving your time through volunteering, giving your talent through sometimes participating on boards and committees, sharing some of your expertise, and then kind of the most simplest form of giving is giving your money.
0:03:55 - (Nicole): Wow. I like that. Time, talent, and treasure. So that means that you have time, talent, and treasure to give.
0:04:02 - (Ryan): That's a great question. One would hope, but everyone's got something to give. That's the beauty of it. I think that if we had the ability here in Australia, I think we do have the ability, because we're going through a number of things in terms of reforming the sector. Like, we've got an opportunity here to really reclaim what the word philanthropy means. I really see giving $5 to your friend for Movember as an act of philanthropy.
0:04:27 - (Ryan): I see volunteering at your school's PNC disco as philanthropy. So it's a word where many people can see themselves in it, but it's a word that obviously is hard to say.
0:04:40 - (Nicole): No, you don't.
0:04:40 - (Ryan): But it's been, what about when reserved.
0:04:43 - (Nicole): As a way for women, mainly for.
0:04:44 - (Ryan): People with capacity, people with wealth. And I think if we can turn that upside down, I think we could really see Australia as one of the most generous countries in the world.
0:04:54 - (Nicole): So, Roman, when dad is doing his job as a philanthropist, is he out and about or in an office? Where does he spend his days?
0:05:03 - (Roman): He is just in the office, working.
0:05:07 - (Nicole): Oh, in the office. Okay. Is he. Is he on the phone? Is he in meetings? Or is he on a computer?
0:05:13 - (Roman): Computer.
0:05:14 - (Nicole): How did he go? Ryan, did Roman get that right? Are you always in the office and on your computer.
0:05:19 - (Ryan): Ah.
0:05:20 - (Nicole): Sometimes in.
0:05:22 - (Ryan): In this kind of line of work and just in any public serving position, I feel that you have to be out from behind your desk. You have to be out in the field. You have to be meeting with the communities that you want to seek, to uplift, to go out there, listen to them, work with them, and. Yeah, so you're.
0:05:41 - (Ryan): The great thing about work now, and especially since COVID is that this laptop can go anywhere. So, for example, I'm flying out to Perth tonight. I'll be in Perth tomorrow for a series of workshops, and then I'll be flying overnight into Sydney for a number of meetings as well. And that's meeting with people that are our partners, our peers, and people that really want to make a difference out there. That's the highlight of my job. It's been the highlight of my careers.
0:06:08 - (Ryan): Kind of taking that laptop with me and going to those places of need and learning directly.
0:06:13 - (Nicole): Roman, your dad helps people give their time, talent and treasure for his job. Is that the kind of job that you want to do when you get big?
0:06:21 - (Roman): I want to be a book writer.
0:06:24 - (Nicole): Ooh, a book writer. What kind of books do you want to write?
0:06:28 - (Roman): Long books.
0:06:31 - (Nicole): Long ones? Like big chapter books?
0:06:33 - (Roman): Yeah.
0:06:34 - (Nicole): Yeah. About anything in particular? Is there a particular subject you want to write about?
0:06:39 - (Roman): Um, funny stuff.
0:06:41 - (Nicole): Funny stuff. Are you a fan of the however many story treehouse that we're up to now? Are you a fan of those books? Yeah.
0:06:50 - (Roman): Yes, I have them in my. In my room.
0:06:54 - (Nicole): Oh. So does my son. He's a bit older than you, but he loves those ones as well. Yeah, they're good books. So you want to do that kind of thing or.
0:07:01 - (Roman): I wanna. Yeah, I wanna read. I wanna write those books.
0:07:08 - (Nicole): Oh, that sounds fantastic. And do you want to draw the pictures as well, or do you just want to do the writing of the words?
0:07:15 - (Roman): I just want to do the writing.
0:07:18 - (Nicole): Okay, so we need to find someone else that you can pair up with, that you can partner with to do the pictures. Do you reckon?
0:07:23 - (Roman): Yeah.
0:07:24 - (Nicole): Yeah, that sounds cool. So does that mean that you like English at school? I know you're not like, school's not the greatest thing in the world for you, but is English the best bit when you get to do some writing?
0:07:35 - (Roman): Yeah.
0:07:36 - (Nicole): What other bits do you like at school?
0:07:38 - (Roman): Going out to play.
0:07:40 - (Nicole): Do you play football like your dad plays football or used to. I don't know if he still does, but. Do you play football?
0:07:47 - (Roman): I play soccer. Or this hand game.
0:07:53 - (Nicole): Oh, handball.
0:07:54 - (Roman): Yeah.
0:07:55 - (Nicole): Yeah, yeah. Ryan, your son just called it soccer. I don't know. We're gonna have to talk.
0:08:01 - (Ryan): Hey, look, I've been out of the country for too long where it really, I have to do a bit of recalibration myself, so don't worry. I'm bringing shame on our family, but we'll get there.
0:08:13 - (Nicole): I'm glad to hear it. How on earth do you get to be someone who helps people give away their time, talent, treasure? How do you become a philanthropist?
0:08:24 - (Ryan): It's funny because it's one of those industries that a lot of people tend to say they fall, fell into, and I tend to agree wholeheartedly. I got into philanthropy after working on the 2012 presidential election in the US.
0:08:39 - (Nicole): Right.
0:08:40 - (Ryan): The person I met on the campaign afforded me the opportunity to go to work for the San Diego foundation and never looked back and became a student of philanthropy. And now find myself in a spot where I'm working for Australia's largest philanthropy and helping recruit a number of people into the field by actively searching for people with the skills that would be natural assets for philanthropy and working in the communities that, you know, we seek to represent.
0:09:09 - (Nicole): Being someone who is working for the biggest philanthropy organisation in the country now, what are the things that you are working on and how do you do that? So you're out having meetings, you're saying you're going to Perth, you're going to Sydney, you're meeting people. What are you saying to them to help them feel really good about giving what they have to give?
0:09:32 - (Ryan): Yeah, it's an interesting part. I am in the effective philanthropy, I guess, vertical of the work that we do at Minduru at the moment, we're going through a bit of a reorg. So the first 21 years of the foundation has moved towards a bit more focus across communities, effective philanthropy, oceans and impact projects. So that's stuff that comes up which is critical to making sure some of those existential crises of our time, like conflict, poverty, etcetera, are supported.
0:10:06 - (Ryan): Fire and flood was another one. So we're currently going through our strategic process. So we're not actually giving money out at the moment. So we're kind of out there doing a bit of field building work. There is a productivity commission looking into the field of philanthropy, which has just concluded its findings and will be reporting back to government by the end of May. And we created a big submission there on behalf of the organisation, our partners, our founders, around what philanthropy could be, what regulations and laws should we be looking at to make the ground a bit more fertile? For new ways of giving, like impact investing, etcetera. So really it's getting out there and just listening and identifying where innovation's happening. I really would love to see philanthropy move beyond civic triage and interceding the solutions of tomorrow.
0:11:01 - (Nicole): Roman, do you like finding solutions for tomorrow? Do you like to give your time and talent and treasure like dad?
0:11:06 - (Roman): Not really.
0:11:08 - (Nicole): Oh, you don't? Well, what about when dad is away for work? He said he was going to Perth and Sydney soon. Do you have to give your time and talent to help mum and Ruby when dad's away?
0:11:18 - (Roman): Yes, probably bending off of the get trash or toys.
0:11:25 - (Nicole): Okay, and what about washing and cooking? Do you help with that?
0:11:30 - (Roman): No, I don't do that.
0:11:32 - (Nicole): Ah, fair enough.
0:11:34 - (Ryan): He tidied his room today, which was a big deal. And there's definitely a caveat to his answer. Cause Diane just had back surgery, so all the help you can get just picking up stuff goes a long way.
0:11:47 - (Nicole): So bending over to pick things up for mum is super helpful. You know, I think you might be a philanthropist and you didn't even know it.
0:11:57 - (Ryan): Just reframing it, Roman, because you're giving.
0:12:00 - (Nicole): Your time and your talent.
0:12:01 - (Roman): Okay, amazing.
0:12:03 - (Nicole): Roman, your dad works at Minduru now, but do you know what his very first job was?
0:12:09 - (Roman): I think I know.
0:12:11 - (Nicole): You do? What was it?
0:12:12 - (Roman): I think it was Coles.
0:12:15 - (Nicole): Coles? Ryan. Is Roman right about that one?
0:12:19 - (Ryan): He's pretty close. Yes, I'd say Coles was the more formative one. There was a lot of part time stuff, but Coles was my first proper job, so I tend to flaunt that a bit, especially when we're talking about fresh produce in here. And if someone brings home from the supermarket a underripe avocado, I like to chime in that I had that experience back in the day.
0:12:43 - (Nicole): Well, clearly, we'll make sure that you're in charge of the guacamole at any party that we have. What do you think you learned from your first job?
0:12:51 - (Ryan): Really, to be honest, it just taught me structure and showing up and being part of a team. It's kind of the basics I've seen. My career has definitely been more of a portfolio, so a lot of it's just been continuously skill stacking and just you asking that question. And I guess how I answered kind of showed there's a lot of compliments to what I do today. If I didn't have that job at Coles, definitely wouldn't be here.
0:13:17 - (Ryan): You can definitely see where the breadcrumbs are.
0:13:19 - (Nicole): It seems like dad thinks having a part time job is a good idea. Roman, do you think you're going to get one when you're a bit older?
0:13:26 - (Roman): Yeah.
0:13:27 - (Nicole): And what kind of job will you.
0:13:28 - (Roman): Get to work at? A shop.
0:13:30 - (Nicole): A shop? Cool. What kind of shop? One that sells food or shoes or clothes or maybe a bookshop.
0:13:39 - (Roman): A bookshop?
0:13:41 - (Ryan): Well, that'd be a good one.
0:13:42 - (Nicole): Great idea. Yeah. We have the best bookshop in Australia, just down the street from us, avid reader, and it's got another shop next to it called where the Wild Things are, which is just a kids bookshop, and it's amazing. And that would be. That would be a great place to get a first job. Ryan, I can't imagine that you thought when you were little, I am going to grow up and be a philanthropist. What did you think that you wanted to do when you were Roman's age?
0:14:09 - (Ryan): Yeah, I think my first job, I remember I caught up with someone from high school recently, and they said, oh, we thought you were going to be a sports agent. So it's always been representation. But I think when I moved from England to Australia and noting that Australia really gave me a second chance, being something that was purposeful, I kind of always going to be in service to the community and the community that gave me that second chance. So that was a big drive for coming back home as well.
0:14:43 - (Ryan): Yeah. I never set out to be in philanthropy, but it does a lot. And the great thing is I was in politics beforehand, which was a great stepping stone to being in philanthropy, just because, again, you wanted to make the community a better place. This one is, you know, Mindaroo is pretty systems led, so it will eventually, if we again coalesce around solutions that can really uplift communities and can be replicable, that we can show the data and the results, that it warrants further investment and then can be rolled out nationally through legislation and significantly more money in terms of Commonwealth and local government budgets. So, yeah, it's all the same.
0:15:34 - (Ryan): I think even if I got back into politics, that that would be the next progression of what I've been doing. I'm always trying to make progress every day. In a little way.
0:15:44 - (Nicole): Having a positive impact seems to drive you and has for your whole career.
0:15:50 - (Ryan): Yeah.
0:15:50 - (Nicole): What's your favorite thing about being a philanthropist? What do you love most about your job?
0:15:56 - (Ryan): It's just talking with people. It's hearing stories. And they don't have to necessarily be stories of impact. They can be lived experiences, ones where you can empathise, ones where you can be inspired. It's just, again, it's the social element of working in your community and on behalf of your community. I've heard some harrowing tales. I've heard some tales that have been someone that literally just got a bugbear and decided to stand up, a national nonprofit and tackle chronic homelessness.
0:16:33 - (Ryan): It's the stories, and I think that sometimes that's loss because we obsess with the data. It's the nuance that comes around it, and that's what I seek to discover in my role, and that can only be found by getting out and meeting them where they are.
0:16:48 - (Nicole): You've clearly not ever been someone who finds it difficult to have a chat. But, Roman, did you get that skill from dad? Do you like talking to lots of different people?
0:16:57 - (Roman): I'm pretty scared of talking to people when it's my first day.
0:17:04 - (Nicole): Yeah, talking to people you've never met is pretty hard sometimes, and you're doing it right now, you know? So thank you for being brave and talking to me. You're going to need to be brave soon, too, when you start your new school, aren't you? How do you think you'll go on your first day?
0:17:19 - (Roman): I think I can just try and make friends.
0:17:24 - (Nicole): Oh, cool. That's a great idea. You might have the wonderful people, you know, share their time and talent and show you around your new school. Oh, my goodness. They'd be philanthropists, too. We did it again.
0:17:36 - (Roman): Yes.
0:17:37 - (Ryan): See, Roman?
0:17:39 - (Roman): Yeah.
0:17:41 - (Ryan): Also, handball is a universal language as well.
0:17:44 - (Nicole): Of course. Kevin run. Even used it to make friends. Being brave seems to run in your family, Roman, because your dad has moved countries lots of times. That's quite a thing to do, Ryan, to go from England to Australia, then to the US, and then back to Australia. What has it taught you?
0:18:02 - (Ryan): Yeah, there's definitely an element of resilience there, but I think that having separate chapters in my life has given me. Has enabled me to sprint rather than kind of look at that. Longer term planning, being able to kind of engage and being a bit more dynamic, I think kind of moving countries without having a lot of those long term social issues patterned onto you made me a bit more curious and inquisitive about history, about approaches to different issues.
0:18:40 - (Ryan): And with that, I guess my niche is, I think, very much outside the box and sometimes from a totally different box and equal parts rabble rouser as well, because, you know, the most dangerous thing to society these days is the status quo.
0:18:55 - (Nicole): Yeah, that's so true, because we're facing different challenges, so we can't just do things like we've always done them, and curiosity is a great approach. My little philosophy is, I like to follow the ABC strategy. Always be curious.
0:19:08 - (Ryan): Yeah, that's a good one.
0:19:10 - (Nicole): Now, Ryan, for people listening to you now thinking that this giving of time, talent and treasure, this philanthropy of business, it sounds great. I want to do this thing. Will they need to go to university to become a philanthropist?
0:19:24 - (Ryan): No, not at all. I think that that's pretty much what we're told to do. I think that, again, the number one skill for someone working in a social sector is, again, social skills, like the ability to listen, that curiosity, ability to just roll up your sleeves and just get involved. I don't think you need a degree for that. And in fundraise for Australia, which is an organisation that we work on as our extracurricular stuff, it's identifying people, again, that may be high school leavers, maybe people that have been working in a local coffee shop for a number of years.
0:20:04 - (Ryan): For us, it's skills. And I think with the rapid adoption of AI, a lot of people will be coming into the services industry. One of the main things, it's listening, it's communication, empathy, EQ, these are all things that a textbook can't teach you. But if you're given the tools and you're given the support of your bosses, your team, that confidence will shine through and add that curiosity and you can do some amazing things.
0:20:33 - (Nicole): It's great to know that uni is a must have for this kind of role. So it's more about the kind of person you are, how good a listener you are, and how much you want to have a positive impact. But Roman, do you think you're going to want to go to university?
0:20:48 - (Roman): Maybe I will.
0:20:50 - (Nicole): Maybe you will. But you want to write books like your dad?
0:20:54 - (Roman): Yes.
0:20:55 - (Nicole): And when you get paid for selling your books, what do you want to do? Will you give some of your treasure as a philanthropist?
0:21:01 - (Roman): I really want to have lots of money and buy some, lots of stuff for me.
0:21:07 - (Nicole): What kind of stuff?
0:21:09 - (Roman): Lots of things that I need.
0:21:12 - (Nicole): Oh, and what do you need?
0:21:14 - (Roman): I need lots of things.
0:21:17 - (Nicole): Okay. Lots of things. Does that sound okay, Ryan?
0:21:21 - (Ryan): Yeah. I think some experience, some real world experience and a bit of wisdom might change that answer in a number of years.
0:21:30 - (Nicole): Sounds like you're a real inspiration in your own house there, Ryan.
0:21:33 - (Ryan): That's great.
0:21:35 - (Nicole): Roman, your dad talks a lot about his job today. Does he like his job?
0:21:41 - (Roman): Yes.
0:21:41 - (Nicole): What makes you think he likes his job?
0:21:43 - (Roman): Because he really likes to give people money.
0:21:47 - (Nicole): I must say, that sounds like a really fun way to spend your working week. Ryan, what's the thing that's the most impactful in the work that you do?
0:21:56 - (Ryan): Yeah, I would say it's anything that invests in leadership. I have a real special affinity for next generation leaders, the ones that are going to really take the solutions of tomorrow forward. I think that we're in a bit of a crossroads globally in terms of leadership, and that somewhat has eroded through populism and the bold and courageous leaders that really inspire us, that you go to YouTube and you look at their speeches and stuff is missing, and I think that if we can empower more leaders and different voices, different approaches, then I've done my bit in kind of paying it forward.
0:22:39 - (Ryan): I guess one of my best gifts I've given was to the World Affairs Council. When we're in San Diego, there was a lady I met. She was a single mother. She was really interested in the UN, and there was a scholarship that was through the broader World Affairs Council. This was like the local chapter and just, you know, she was just inspiring, and she just wanted a chance to get out of the rut she was in.
0:23:04 - (Ryan): But she couldn't afford the membership fee to even qualify and be eligible for that scholarship, so we donated to that. And it was a tiny donation, but it really, it got her accepted, and now she's going on doing some amazing stuff in the space, and it's that ripple effect. Like, I mean, it's not hard to give, but it can change the trajectory of people, families, everything. And that's. That's what inspires me. It's just the little.
0:23:35 - (Ryan): The little things of showing up and contributing. It's like I kind of profess that participatory leadership model where, you know, you know when to lead, you know when to link arms, but most importantly, you know when to get the hell out of the way and let people walk through the doors that you've opened for them. You don't need to lead them in there. You don't need to kind of coach them through it, because a lot of them just need that one opportunity and they'll grab it with both hands. So being able to catalyze that, that's what makes me tick.
0:24:06 - (Ryan): You know, every organization that I've been part of, there has been a kind of leadership development element to it. And, you know, that's probably going to be the thing that takes me all the way through retirement as well, just making sure that, you know, we leave the place in a better state than we inherited it.
0:24:25 - (Nicole): Well, you've done it first time on bring your kid to work. I have goosebumps. That is an amazing sales pitch for philanthropy, Ryan. That idea that we can all do our small bit to change our world, that it then ripples and multiplies, and we can really have a big impact just from our small gesture, I can't top that. So on that note, thank you both for being such great guests on bring your kid to work, and thank you for joining me, Ryan. It's great to hear what you're up to.
0:24:54 - (Ryan): No, I appreciate the opportunity to chat and, like, you never get these opportunities to spend well. You spend quality time, but defer to the real star of the show, Roman. It's something that he'll remember, and hopefully in the future, he'll be the one that's doing the giving, and I'm just there trying to get the tech to work.
0:25:14 - (Nicole): Well, that is the hardest job. Thank you so much once again, thank you so much.
0:25:19 - (Ryan): Roman, say thank you.
0:25:20 - (Roman): Thank you.
0:25:24 - (Nicole): Um. Wow. Wow. How incredible were those two? I. So, for background, I worked with Ryan in politics almost 20 years ago, and then he left the country, and we haven't actually seen each other since. And it was so lovely to see him online when we did this interview. But it was also incredible, and I hope that it came through just the heart of the man. You can hear it, I'm sure, because I felt it through the screen when I was chatting to him, and I certainly know it from back in the day.
0:25:57 - (Nicole): And his heart was on display constantly in that role, always wanting to do great things and have really positive impact. You know, seeing a need, starting a football club, being someone in the community who actually did stuff, who got things done to make things better. And it seems like he's made his entire career getting things done, making things better. It's really inspiring to know that even if you do a small thing, that small thing has a positive effect on someone, that person then says, well, that's really positive.
0:26:34 - (Nicole): That thing that's happened to me, so I can do something positive, too. They impact somebody else who impacts somebody else, who impacts the whole family, who impacts a whole community. You know, it has this incredible ripple effect of positive, good, impactful change. I think it's really important for us to remember that, that we don't have to change the world. We can change our world, and that that then ripples out to make big waves.
0:26:59 - (Nicole): I think that's a really great message for all of us. Perhaps think about something really kind that you can do for someone else that won't be expecting. It doesn't have to be someone you don't know, doesn't have to be a stranger. It can be someone you do know, but that then has that ripple effect and flows through to make positive impact, grow and grow and grow. And that's the beauty of philanthropy.
0:27:22 - (Nicole): So thank you for that lesson, Ryan. Like I said, first time ever, actual solid goosebumps that I got after that conversation. So I really appreciated that. Next week we bring you another fantastic story about another incredible job, and I love doing that. So remember to tell me about anyone that you think I should interview. We can get them on the pod because we love bringing these stories to you. So until then, have a great week and I'll talk to you next week.
0:27:47 - (Nicole): Bye for now.
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